Brace yourself, you use drones too, friend. And your bears do too.

you get boring really quickly. Its not even witty, accurate or constructive. Go spam troll EVEnews24 or that other one, or even better, go talk to a RL human

No wonder even your corp mates don't like you

Then self destruct all your supers and titans and prove to me you are not a hypocrite.

And I guess you never saw a CFC harpie fleet destroy fighters like they were nothing and the fighters do nothing against them in ten percent tidi. Even ten ishtars can defang a super easily. Just shows how you never use them.

You are missing the point that fighters are not an I win button and never have been. You have a limited number and supers can be defanged easily. They don't need to be made even more vulnerable.

You haven't disproved anything I said. This is not a fix to anything but a made up problem by developers who do not like capitals or supers.

O, dear lord! An undocumented case of an imaginary exploit!

Why on earth would you want to stop anyone potato enough to rat with FBs from doing so?

Let idiots be idiots. Natural selection will take care of them.

But somehow I feel that the 30k coalition you have cobbled together would not go away. And the only reason there has been a stockpiling of supers and titans has been to oppose your 30k man blob. And you say you want a healthy game, but how is a 30k man coalition, and that is most of EvE, healthy for the game?

RIP in peace 40k dps Nyx

NCDOT is the largest owner of supers in the game

NCDOT is the largest owner of supers in the game

i personally feel that it is intellectually dishonest to claim it i is a response to an 'exploit' and then only make the change affect 2 very specific types of drones. as stated earlier, launching drones, having them travel to target, fire once, and then return, recall, and relaunch, particularly under TIDI, is not very practical in terms of actual applied damage, especially for fighters which have a shorter cycle time. because of this i have a hard time believing said exploit is even the real reason for this nerf, as there are other solutions and furthermore this change doesn't affect any other type of drone or boat. just call it what it is, a nerf to locking and switching between subcapital targets. one could argue this is perhaps needed for fighter bombers (although who the hell uses fighterbombers against subcaps to begin with?) but this change is particularly odious in regards to fighters because it is yet another nerf to super capabilities especially in defensive situations. i mean, god forbid i have a chance of killing those hics pointing me, rite?

So if this is an actual problem with the game, why shouldn't we expect CCP to actually fix the problem.

Or you just make Abandon/Scoop/Return to drone bay an overriding command that functions like "reloading" on other weapons platforms. Once you click abandon/scoop/return to drone bay you are locked out of issuing a command to your drones for 20 seconds.

*Return and Orbit will not start this timer.

Poof now you only have 1 timer to track, and it applied to all drones within that ship. No more spooky lag than reloading turrets cause.

and probably not that much to code...**** they managed to make 3 different "jump to beacon options" give everyone 2 timers im sure they can take 3 inputs and generate one timer.

Maybe they can't, but they should.

Here is even a message you can display

"The Drone Bay will be cleared in approximately 20 seconds"

Supercap pilots who are moaning about how harsh and unforgiving life is whenever CCP pokes their near-immortal flying doomfortresses has a very "Atlas shrugged" feeling to it.

The point is that this is a made up problem by people who hate supers and feel that their way of playing is the right way. If you can't form a one thousand man fleet then you are irrelevant to the game and you should have no recourse in fighting that one thousand man fleet.

Oh, and your 30billion isk ship should rightly be ineffective against a majority of ship types in the game. It makes perfect sense!

If CCP wants to get rid of capitals, they should tell us so we can prepare, and make sure that we are properly reimbursed for the skill points and isk invested. Take away my super? Sure, as long as I get a boatload of deadspace fitted paladins, nightmares, redeemers and bhaalgorns in return, I'm game. Oh, and that's A and X type fitted deadspace, not scrubby c types or faction.

Crashing the node?

How about this: We blue each other and complete the donut. Not as though anything is going on in EvE anyway. Or are you content gutting the leadership of your allies so they are just zombies?

Alternatively, please come down and destroy us.

Can't we just all get along by killing each other silently?

I always find it amusing how every forum thread turns into GRR GEWNS.

I say it from time to time, cause you know, its funny.

Shiny thing!

Whatever you are on, can I please have some?

I'm a mediocre debater at best. You really shouldn't need to devolve into invectives this early.

So much this, Why are the carrier bonuses not shared with assigned fighters but drone augmentative modules are shared with assigned fighters, Perhaps you should fix that....

I guess that blog by your leader not log ago ordering all goons to NOT sell their super capitals is a figment of my imagination?

How about "Never stop posting" ?

Don't give them ideas, they will make docking fatigue a thing too

Well you could say that about Tykonderoga, but I'm more of an inquisitive sort. I just want to understand the whys and wherefores of this. I want to know what the DIRECT correlation is between the so called "exploit" and reducing fighter bombers scan resolution over 90%.

This war-cry against fighters, and fighter bombers, is very similar to the propaganda used by J
Joseph Goebbels

"It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.GÇ¥
GÇò Joseph Goebbels

Waiter there's a fly in my soup.

"Don't worry, I'll handle this"

*swings sledgehammer*

It means something if you go from target to target often but I don't know any use case for this to happen. Do supercap blap target within 2 drone cycle worth of damage?

You should hear some of the conversations on comms about that nonsense - those types live and breathe for infinitesimal reductions.

Isk/hour >> all!

I just want to know more.

awww come on now PF, your "Umadbro?" meme is showing.

But... but...what about the children?

...and PF "Youmadbro" meme coming up in 3...2...1...

I have a fairly good sense of humour about it, regardless of what some people say *COUGH**PF**COUGH*

So the CFC cant counter the NC meta and decide to sick their pets (CSM) on CCP.


Just blob and risk your ships. Maybe the reward will be you win.

My bad....this would involve nullsec taking a risk.

One of the CSMs went on a drunk tirade about the CSM on stream over the holidays.

1) He isn't returning
2) He mentioned that the CSM is not there for the general populace, they are there for the agenda set out by the coalitions they represent.

As much as I love seeing N3 and CFC throw ***** at each other in every dev thread. Can we get a response as to why you are skirting around the actual fix to the proposed problem?

Is there a reason you can't just make a timer apply to the drone bay? Why or why not?

As it stands this doesn't change the fact that people can still recall spam to increase server load in hopes of crashing the node.

I'm pretty sure any elected CSM member even if pushed by a coalition could technically try to push his own agenda even if it goes against the will of those who voted for him.

The scan res changes decrease the drones ability to deal damage to smaller targets without changing the ability to defend against them, thus increasing the risk.

Or until you need to switch targets because Logi.

CFC spends a year whining about logi, now applauds an increase to effectiveness of Logi.

Ok cool now lets see how that looks against Battleship Fleets.

Pretty sure scan res also effects tracking?

rest in peace in peace?

Boom headshot!

Thats not a huge change I guess for Fighters. FB's vs Capitals however is some cause for concern. Id hate to see Sentry Carriers become the goto again due to impracticality of SCs being able to target switch through reps.

That being said. CCP should still just put a timer on relaunching drones. It solves all the problems and prevents all ships from being able to abuse this mechanic, and add server load.

Thanks for the graphs though!

I guess that blog by your leader not long ago, ordering all goons to NOT sell their super capitals, is a figment of my imagination?

Everyone in NC. is required to have both a Dreadnaught and a Carrier they should be located in QueriousEveryone in NC. should be working towards owning a SC or a Titan and current pilots who own them should NOT be selling them regardless of what you think to changes CCP make! They are a SUPER important part of this game more so now than ever! You are not allowed to sell SCs and Titans outside of NC. PERIOD anyone found doing so will pay a tax for doing so which will be used to help other members get into Titans and SCs. (No this isnGÇÖt a joke)

Having a timer doesn't limit you from being able to swap drones though, it just delays the process, as it should be.

Right because its not like we need a reason to discourage drone usage in fleets or anything like that...

I'd bet that it wouldnt stop the exploit either - I'd betcha that an abandon/reconnect would probably work.

Would depend what the timer is and when it starts. If it starts when you launch drones and is only 10 or 15 sec then a small gang should n't be affected

These changes are not in the patch notes...

The scan resolution of Fighter Bombers and Fighters has been reduced to ensure that pilots can not gain an advantage by rapidly scooping and relaunching them.